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We Ask the Judges: Has the Western Pleasure Class Regressed?
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"Most of the issues we see in western pleasure are created by lack of flow. When a horse is over-canted, it generally lacks forward motion and/or self-carriage," Alex Ross states. Photo © Impulse Photography
AQHA Executive Director of Judges Alex Ross recently sent the judges an update specifically addressing the western pleasure class. In recent years, there have been some positive changes in western pleasure. However, in recent months, Ross has received calls and emails from multiple well-educated judges that expressed their feelings that the class is regressing. Specifically, these judges feel the horses are being shown at a slower pace with the over-canted horse becoming more apparent than in the past couple of years.

"Most of the issues we see in western pleasure are created by lack of flow. When a horse is over-canted, it generally lacks forward motion and/or self-carriage," Ross states. "Because of this unnatural position, the horse 'bobs' its head when loping and leaves the outside hock behind the hip (also known as a split hock)."

Ross says that the judges need to follow the guidelines stated in Rule 465(B). "As the judge, through your gait calls and especially your placing, you have the opportunity to tell the exhibitors how they will be judged," says Ross in the update. "Utilize both to your advantage and assist us in moving western pleasure in a positive direction. If this is not the direction you want to go, you need to request to be removed from the list of AQHA-Approved Judges."

With this recent news, GoHorseShow asked several judges about the western pleasure, and whether they have seen a setback in this class. Due to education of the judges and the public, many feel the western pleasure horses are the best they have ever been, while others believe not much has changed. Let us know what you think by voting in our poll and also by leaving your opinion in the comment section of this article.

Pierre Briere
--I'm not sure that you see the over-canted look at the weekend shows, but you do see it more at the larger shows where there are 20-25 horses in the pen and everyone is trying to stay behind each other. Western pleasure is the entry level for a young horse into the show arena, and their future show career depends on how well they are exhibited at an early age. The horse should be able to branch out, and many trainers can tell you that trying to teach a horse another event when it has been trained to be over-canted with his face jammed to the wall and butt to the inside is an absolute nightmare. You can't do anything with the horse when you try to go off the rail. The over-canted look may give the horse the illusion of moving correctly, but they have less self-carriage, less lift and will be going a lot slower than a horse that is doing the gait correctly. We all need to abide by AQHA western pleasure rules, they are in place to help assure our western pleasure horses have a long, successful show career after western pleasure. 

Suzy Jeane
--I think AQHA has done everything they can to educate the public that mistreatment of horses in not acceptable in our industry. The quality of the pleasure horses has gotten to such a premier level that I think everyone expects to see it at every show. However, there are horses that are just not as talented as others. There are inferior reiners where the exhibitor knows they are only capable of being a 70 horse--that is the same with the pleasure. The public needs to be aware where they are and what kind of competition is at that show. It is the judge's responsibility to help the reputation of these horses by stepping them up and moving them forward if they are going too slow. I also think the leveling program will help with this problem where horses of the same talents will be competing against each other.

Doug Huls
--Personally, I don't agree that the western pleasure classes have regressed. I don't feel I have seen horses crawling around--not like it was five or six years ago. Frankly, I was kind of surprised to see it in the news again. I really don't think it is an issue like it has been in the past.







Stephanie Lynn
--I have actually seen more horses being too slow more so than over-canted. There appears to be a trend of horses hardly jogging to the point they aren't even close to doing the gait correctly. This class is supposed to be comprise of three gaits but I'm beginning to wonder if the jog is becoming completely unimportant in this class. Several judges have let horses win that are gorgeous lopers but aren't jogging. I think this issue bears more discussion.





Russ Smith
--I think it is more of a regional issue. There are horses in certain parts of the country like up north and on the east coast that appear to be more over-canted and a lot slower. It is mainly due to the weather, and the trainers having to ride indoors in small pens. I try to extend the gaits in the class if I feel they are going too slow. I don't place the ones that don't follow the rules of the class. It is the responsibility of the riders to show their horses correctly, otherwise they won't be placed on my card.




Rick Christy
--I think the western pleasure is the best it has ever been. Overall, I don't think the class has regressed. Everyone seems to pick on the western pleasure, but look at the hunter classes these days---these classes have regressed considerably, and I think these classes need more attention these days than the pleasure classes.







Tom McBeath
--I think the issue is more regional, but I see an issue more in the horses not maintaining a steady rhythm. Riders are trying to get them to stay slower than they are capable to prevent them for passing even though they would look better if they maintained their cadence and flow. I don't see the over-canted look as a problem as much as exhibitors needing to move their horses up to help them look better and to fit within the rules of the class.





Brent Tincher
--I think it is a regional problem but I don't think horses that are over-canted historically do very well at the big shows. I think the pleasure horses are the best they have ever been, and we have so many talented trainers that if we tell them what we want and reward them for following the rules, then, they will follow suit.







Charlene Carter
--I recently judged a show that had a few canted horses in the green--the ones that were severe, I did not place. However, I did tell the line-up that there were some nice horses that I didn't use, because they were too canted. They showed a little better in the following classes. Also, I will walk over close to the rail and look at the angles to let them know that I am questioning their frames. I totally dislike it--it's simply trying to make inferior horse look superior and it doesn't work. Makes a very contorted appearance. I feel that you find it in different areas, but not as a general rule.




Gretchen Mathes
--I don't think the class has gotten worse, and I think overall it is a lot better than several years ago when most of it was horrendous. The horses are now fat and shiny and trained well. Personally, I think what we need to do is take all the money put in the two year-old classes and put all of it into the 3, 4, and 5 year-old classes. I think that would improve the class and help the younger horses in the long run.

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Added: May 29, 2012. 03:24 PM CDT
The class that drives the most people out of showing
Western pleasure has not really regressed, because it has never improved (probably since the late 70's). It has only changed. There have been peanut rollers, wogger, tropers, canted and a number of other problems, one following the other. We have been asked to lope with forward motion, but nobody ever did it. If you go to a show and stand by the rail during pleasure you will have 2 or 3 newbies at every show ask you what is wrong with the horses, ie. are they all lame or sick or what is wrong with them. It doesn't matter if it is a small show or a big one. So, the class that used to have hundreds of entries at the Congress and required more than a superior to qualify for the world has dwindled to a 1 or 2 point class at most shows. there is a very small (compared to the overall AQHA membership) number of people who make up the "in crowd" that enjoy this kind of strange movement and the rest have left
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Added: May 29, 2012. 02:35 PM CDT
My daughter has shown Quarter Horse for the last few years, and from what I have seen there has not been a lot of progress in the forward motion on the western pleasure horses. I had a judge once tell me that a western pleasure horse should move as though it would be a pleasure to ride. The way most of these horses are moving make my back hurt just to watch them, they look like they are very rough at the lope. I have an older qh mare and she is so comfortable at the lope and I believe it is because she is trained old style, she also has many pleasure points from when she was shown in her younger years. That is what they should go back to in training. But as long as the judges keep placing the ill moving slow horses nothing will change.
It's never going to change!
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Added: May 29, 2012. 01:44 PM CDT
Definitely no progress
Not sure we've regressed but we certainly haven't made much progress. I think we are better today than we were less than a decade ago. But the simple fact remains that our pleasure horses by and large are "ugly" to those who aren't in the pleasure world(and frankly I think ugly even to those of us within it - we just seem to be used to it). We ask horses to move in an incredibly unnatural way. So much so that it is now just as common to be injecting hocks & stifles and giving Adequan and Legend as it is to be giving horses regular vaccinations for WNV and Rhino.
We've opened up a whole world of accupunture and massage because horses are sore from doing the work. And we've virtually eliminated people from being able to successfully participate in pleasure classes unless they have their horse with a trainer. As such, we've eliminated alot of people from the sport just from the sheer cost (it's expensive enough just to show but when you factor in training on top of it...).

I do agree that at this point there is not much the Breed Associations can do except to get harder on the judges. Perhaps they need to ask shows to videotape the classes and send them in with their show results and it can visually be seen how poor some of the winners are moving. Until judges get brave enough to gate these horses and stop picking the horse that offends the least, we will never make progress. We no longer have a real walk (not even in the hunter classes) and the jog is ridiculous for many horses. Those horses that can lope nice & fluid often don't get a call either because they look fast for passing or else the rider gets afraid of passing and gets the horse too slow.

I think it is sad that new people wanting to step up into this sport are looking elsewhere because they think the horses look lame (and frequently are). I agree that something needs to be done, but as has been pointed out we've been having this discussion for years and haven't come to a resolution. I think it is up to the Breed Associations to tell the judges what they want in their seminars and then it is up to the judges. And if the judges don't judge to the rule book (or won't), then this problem will never be resolved.
SRO
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Added: May 29, 2012. 01:14 PM CDT
The so called Western Pleasure class has done more harm to the horse show world than anything else and countless people have told you so. But it continues and instead of getting better it is getting worse. I have heard numerous people say they have quit going to horse shows because of the crippled horses being shown. I no longer will watch a Western Pleasure class because of the UGLY way they are displayed. Nothing western or pleasurable about it.
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Added: May 29, 2012. 12:53 PM CDT
BIG & SLOW
I am so tired of seeing lame horses in the western pleasure, it makes me sick. I have shown AQHA for over 30 years, and have enjoyed most of it especially the western pleasure. The young horses are skipping behind, and dragging in front. No true big slow lopers, size shouldn't matter. The AQHA rule book states that a horses tip of his ear can be below his withers "if it is natural to the horse"& not intimadated. Believe it or not my gelding stands 16.1 & can lope slower then most in big even strides, but gets points taken away for his jog being to "squared up " something his does by himself. GO FIGURE ? The AQHA Blue ribbon committe needs to figure this out with the Judges to keep the show numbers up.
Mara
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Added: May 29, 2012. 11:50 AM CDT
Start early...
Even at the 4-H and local association level you can see over canted horses, among other "problems". Judges are so important in helping the youth understand what is an appropriate and a "winning" style, not to mention natural movement and humane treatment - even if it goes against what their trainers/parents teach them.



I get so tired of seeing the yanking, two-handed "fixes", and see-sawing that goes on behind the judges' backs. Subtle correcting is fine, but to see the free hand tug on the reins or the rider's hands above the his/her shoulders and/or head just looks ridiculous. If their horse "needs" that much correcting, maybe neither of them are quite ready for the show ring at that level.



I find it insulting to the judge also - sort of an attitude of "I can do whatever I want and the judge will never know." The young riders must think it's the "in" thing to do the see-sawing, which I have watched kids do while in a line up, to get their horse's head down. I watched one rider do it so much that if the horse tucked its head any farther, it would've done a somersault!! Do they really think judges really want to see a horse's nose touch its chest??



Gillian
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Added: May 29, 2012. 11:50 AM CDT
Start early...
Even at the 4-H and local association level you can see over canted horses, among other "problems". Judges are so important in helping the youth understand what is an appropriate and a "winning" style, not to mention natural movement and humane treatment - even if it goes against what their trainers/parents teach them.

I get so tired of seeing the yanking, two-handed "fixes", and see-sawing that goes on behind the judges' backs. Subtle correcting is fine, but to see the free hand tug on the reins or the rider's hands above the his/her shoulders and/or head just looks ridiculous. If their horse "needs" that much correcting, maybe neither of them are quite ready for the show ring at that level.

I find it insulting to the judge also - sort of an attitude of "I can do whatever I want and the judge will never know." The young riders must think it's the "in" thing to do the see-sawing, which I have watched kids do while in a line up, to get their horse's head down. I watched one rider do it so much that if the horse tucked its head any farther, it would've done a somersault!! Do they really think judges really want to see a horse's nose touch its chest??

Gillian
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Added: May 29, 2012. 11:46 AM CDT
Pleasure Classes
From the AQHA shows I compete in, poeple are flocking out of the pleasure and horsemanshop classes into other classes like huntseat, roping and cattle classes.Western Pleasure is a black eye for AQHA and it starts with the judges. How anyone thinks that a head bobbin, sideways riding no true canter riding horse is a pleasure to ride is beyond me.
therealworld
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Added: May 29, 2012. 11:36 AM CDT
Western pleasure
For quite some time when they called for a lope they had to say "lope with forward motion", as opposed to what loping in place which is practically what they are doing, but I would not even call it a lope, it is unidentifiable. A little hop in front and then drag the back with it and oh yeah the head and neck going up and down like a pump handle as it tries to pull itself along. It is totally disgusting in my opinion. I pity the poor horses. Western pleasure used to be my favorite class but since the age of the peanut rollers and now what it has become and don't even get me started on the gross squared off tails, ish!
Appygal
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Added: May 29, 2012. 11:13 AM CDT
Western Pleasure is not for me and my horse
I hate the way these western pleasure horses look! Every time I see one "drilling for oil" as I call head bobbing, I want to tackle who ever trained the horse and kick them where the sun doesn't shine. I'm to the point where I wont show my horse in the class and I'm fine with that and my horse is happier. We stick to HUS, Equitation, Horsemanship, showmanship and trail and we do great!
Bella Doc
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